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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast really looking forward to this

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interview because i'm not speaking to

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someone who is necessarily famous for

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their ufo exploits or being a witness

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somewhere having worked in the military

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but i've got someone who has a a great

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mind a very inquisitive nature and is

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making a bit of their their own splash

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in the field of ufos through their own

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channel the theory of everything on

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youtube it's filmmaker

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mango how are we

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i am well how about you

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yeah i'm doing good have i pronounced

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your surname correctly kurt j mungle yep

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uh so dan is uh i've not let him come on

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uh he was not i was going to let him

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yeah he's uh editing uh a show we

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recorded today and our deadline for it's

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been brought forward so he he was just

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kind of leaving me to it um so he's

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going to look at this afterwards and do

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some editing and stuff forwards as well

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um

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i i thought he might have said to you so

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apologies for that kurt but i usually

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joke dan only comes on for the big

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guests he was very much looking forward

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to speaking to you and being on with you

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as well um so he's doing some of the

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hard work in the background great

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listen dan's helped me put together this

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interview because he is he's a big fan

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of yours he got me onto your podcast

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before i knew about it and uh and

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certainly gone from strength to strength

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before we do start to talk about the

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youtube channel i'd like to know a

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little bit more about yourself cut

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what's your background and what's got

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you to the point in life where you have

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this show and you're a filmmaker

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my background in this okay well there's

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a couple ways that can be taken

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i assume you don't care about my

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ethnicity but my background let's say my

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intellectual background is i went to

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university for math and physics i've

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always been interested in mathematics

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and physics

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filmmaking that came about while i was

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in university i used to do stand-up

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comedy and when you do stand-up you want

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to write scripts so then i wanted to get

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those scripts made went into filmmaking

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after graduating i abandoned

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pretty much all of mathematics and

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physics except

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the abstract thinking of it and then

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since i've been young i've always wanted

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to know there's something called the

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theory of everything and i'm sure many

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of your audience members already know

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what this is but if you're listening and

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you're unsure well it's a physics

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means but in its original

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conception it means how do you unify

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field theory so it's essentially

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the laws the unifying laws of nature

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quite settled is that it's not clear if

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you can unif the if you should be

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unifying them it's not clear if the

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quest in physics should be one of

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increased symmetry perhaps what we

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should be looking for are breaking of

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symmetries and less and less symmetric

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this is penrose penrose actually argues

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either way it's a physics terminology

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it's a physics term so

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one can take that physics term and then

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abstract it further to mean valtton

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is a german word and it means

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technically to them it simply means

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worldview but the way that i use it is

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to mean an all-encompassing worldview

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predicated in something called ontology

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so ontology is metaphysics

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sam harris or peterson where you can

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bring up almost any phenomenon so like

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why is a cup why is this cup blue i

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think they'll have oh it's because the

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edible mother and they have a vast

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explanation for it that ties into many

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facets of life yeah that is what i call

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a belt on show it's an entire philosophy

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we all have world views to live you have

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to have a world view you think you model

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the world but we don't all have belt on

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xiaohungs we don't all have cohesive

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coherent all-encompassing world views so

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expanded what it means to be a theory of

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and i appreciate that because you do

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truly encompass a lot of different areas

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the most out there are celebrity

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scientists if you want to look at neil

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along with you talking about that theory

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of everything and i'm a layman i can't

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use the physics terminology and i won't

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even attempt to try in a german either

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but you you've dived in with some some

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recording and this doesn't have to be um

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related to ufos it can be anything this

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in your entirety of your youtube channel

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that stuck with you from from a

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from the future now look if any

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there's so many paradoxes that come

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with time travel that you wouldn't

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willing to entertain ideas that on the

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surface seem superficially implausible

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my instinct is judgment and saying it

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can't be that well first of all how do

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timeline why did they care and then

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motivations he says it is but there's

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men and think well even if someone is

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if someone uses physics in a way that's

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non-standard i no longer

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denigrate it inside my head or at least

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i try not to instead i think well how

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could this possibly be true and you can

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even see that in that episode

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there were some connections that

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explicate now because they're not clear

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plenty of it can make sense and then

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days later you're just like oh well that

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that doesn't make any sense i don't know

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when it came to what ross said but i do

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with me it's more like guests stick with

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did you have any interest in ufos

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growing up at all through childhood or

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into adulthood or is it really more more

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since the channel started then it's no

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such a lame parties for people because

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of the editors of the documentary was

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telling me kurt you know there's you got

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to look into ufo and then i was just

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completely contemptuous and scornful of

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the topic like as you imagine virtually

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any academic would be although i'm not

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an academic but i had that mindset and i

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told them well look there's exponential

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curves when it comes to technological

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advancement why is it that if they're

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why do their craft look similar why is

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it not drastically different why is it

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not just dust like grey goo

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because he felt annoyed that he has to

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when i looked into that then i started

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to become much more interested in the

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topic that led me to jeremy corbell

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naturally because bob lazar there's a

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documentary and i thought well i'm a

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jeremy and jeremy says no to plenty of

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interviews but he said yes to mine

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this is before the channel was known for

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anything related to ufos

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rudimentary questions which i got

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was still interested in it the channel

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when i say new physics i mean physics

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outside our current paradigm the current

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academic consensus let's say because

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there could be other physics known to

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the government if they have access to

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craft if these craft exist and so on

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well then i spoke to kevin knuth and

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that interview also didn't do terribly

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well

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but

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my interest remained and i wanted to

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speak to more people and then for

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whatever reason the algorithm started to

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pick up some of the ufo videos

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either way my interest wasn't from

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the

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something here when it comes to physics

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i also don't think that this topic is

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worthy of the derision that it has i

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think that plenty of it is marketing in

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the sense that when you're intelligent

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you want to be seen as intelligent and

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you're afraid of see be seen you're

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afraid of being seen as not intelligent

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and right now

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it's it's seen as not

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it's seen as not being intelligent to

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speak about this topic with anything

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other than

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disparagement

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so i believe that's the reason neil

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degrasse tyson and brian cox and so on

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do what they do and say what they do and

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say what they say

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so can you explain to me then if someone

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again who is far from a scientist okay

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surely that the whole whenever you hear

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about science in school you hear about

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all these great thinkers and great minds

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who made these incredible discoveries

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who challenged the the norms of the time

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through the centuries

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why do mainstream scientists now seem to

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have such an issue challenging this norm

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maybe it's starting to break down a

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little bit now with people like avi loeb

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and and such but

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why is it they can't look at what could

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be the greatest discovery in the history

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of mankind is something that we should

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be pursuing scientifically and that

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could be the next great step

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i believe there were some government

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programs used to

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to make the topic of ufos one that only

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kooks or loons or so believe

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or espouse i believe there was one i

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forget what it's called andy i'm sure

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you can

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there's been enough there's been a few

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going back through the decades and

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disinformation campaigns and again just

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to ridicule the obvious project blue

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book was one that was largely

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designed to to come out and explain away

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phenomena with a rationale that wasn't

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necessarily there at all times so that

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that's been done yeah but

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again i still look at scientists going

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back and i i don't want to miss water

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getting these wrong but for example

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galileo you know when they make these

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claims of the times and

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they're told they were wrong and that

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you know that what they thought couldn't

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possibly be true but it's come to pass

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decades and centuries later that what

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these people said at the time wasn't

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that incredible and actually was true

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and i just again look at scientists now

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knowing all the things we know now

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is it just that labeling of being a cook

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that stops them taking that step forward

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into this subject do you think still

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i think it's i think it's to a large

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degree that

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i'm also wondering how much of it has to

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do with specialization

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our knowledge now requires such a degree

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of specialization that going beyond one

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sphere

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is is perilous it's like if you're a

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chemist you're not just a chemist you're

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an organic chemist you're not just an

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organic chemist you're a specific type

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of organic chemist and a specific type

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of that a solid state someone so and so

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on

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but

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what i'm what i mean is that then if you

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ask them can you comment on

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let's say black hole formation they

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would say no they throw their hands up

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in the air

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then

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you ask them can you comment on

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something that's outside even what's

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scientifically considered to be

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scientific

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okay well

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that is so far out there

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and it and there's such a paucity of

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evidence there's very virtually none

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it makes sense in some

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sense because it would also be like well

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why don't they if the arg from what i

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understand what you're saying andy is

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like hey scientists are supposed to

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challenge scientists are supposed to go

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outside and

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and say that the emperor has no clothes

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and to even test like maybe the emperor

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does have clothes i see them as having

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no clothes and maybe they're wearing

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gold

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well they are

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but this is the reason i brought up

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specialization because if you're

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not specialized if you're more of a

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generalist

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which may be one of the advantages of

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myself is that i i have such little

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depth in virtually any topic

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when you're someone that is a jack of

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all trades and master of none then you

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can flip between topics easily but when

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you're specialized

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the amount that you can flip like i

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mentioned an organic chemist doesn't

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even doesn't want to talk about

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chemistry as a whole they'd rather talk

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about

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well a specific subset of organic

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chemistry or physicist topological

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quantum field theorist doesn't want to

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talk about string theory that's actually

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false because topological quantum field

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theories have plenty to do with string

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theory but you understand the

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you understand the general premise so it

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could also be because of specialization

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so it's one ridicule specialization

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the reason i say that is because then

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they could just say well why don't i

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entertain remote viewing why don't i

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pick your

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favorite

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out of their theory why don't i

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entertain that i only have so much time

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and it required me it required such

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an investment to get me to the point

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that i am it could also be that how

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would you

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suggest the ufo community or those you

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know with an interest in ufos try and

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make the subject more palatable to those

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scientists that maybe have that how do

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we circumnavigate that specialization if

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that is a barrier

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i think

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what avila was doing what brian keating

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is doing i think they're at the

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forefront of making this topic less

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taboo

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i think pretty much despite speaking

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about it as if it's serious and saying

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hey man the government has even

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when people say the government has

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acknowledged that uaps exist well okay

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but they haven't acknowledged that it's

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aliens they've said that there are craft

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that we have no explanation for and

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doesn't seem to be tied to any worldly

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organization

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that's not exactly the same as saying

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it's extraterrestrials or it's extra

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human or some sure you get that you get

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that but just emphasizing that this is a

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serious issue

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and not worthy of

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condescension

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that alone is

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but that has to come from people who are

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scientifically minded

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because scientists tend to

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scientists don't care too much about

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what non-scientists think they do

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obviously because they want public

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approbation but they don't care if the

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public thinks

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they scientists general i'm generalizing

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being seen as intellectual

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one of the worst fears of someone who

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has a high iq is being seen as having a

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low iq

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because their whole image is tied to

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that it's tied to being in academia as

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tight

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as tied to being a mathematician or a

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physicist or a

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or whatever it may be

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and so when people who

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okay and then the question is well what

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makes you a mathematician what makes you

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a physicist well it's the other

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physicists and other mathematicians say

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you are okay if that's the case then

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what they care about most are their own

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peers and if their own peers disbelieve

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this topic but the public does well it

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doesn't

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matter too much what the public does

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that's why what avi loeb and brian

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keating are doing it extremely important

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it has to come

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well has to i think it comes from within

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do you think that then that

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funding is going to be crucial to

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getting mainstream science involved

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because i interviewed avi loeb back in

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in january before he secured the funding

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for the galileo project and he seemed

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relatively open at that point that he

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would get involved in the subject but

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the funding had to be there do you think

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other scientists and other thinkers

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other minds intellectuals will see that

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there is funding for this and they will

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see names like avi luebbe and eric

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feinstein attached to this

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and that could hopefully pull some more

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of them along

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yeah although i wouldn't put eric

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weinstein on that not because eric is

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not an intellectual is a vast vast giant

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but because many people in academia

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dislike him because eric is so popular

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and they're frankly jealous

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so it wouldn't be that if anything that

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would make them not want to be a part of

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it anyway okay

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anyway avilob yes

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i don't think they should be like that i

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think that they're wrong to

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i want to say many i know of more than i

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know that

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at least one person who dislikes that

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eric weinstein is called i know i've had

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i know of more than one person who

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dislikes that eric weinstein was called

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a mathematician because they're like

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well how is he a mathematician doesn't

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publish regularly well why do you care

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why

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it's because

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you know that the public sees him as

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this great intellectual giant

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and they don't see you as that because

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you're so specialized in something where

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only your peers can understand and it's

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brilliant work you're doing such

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brilliant work and no none of the public

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can recognize it because it's

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indecipherable esoteric hieroglyphs to

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the majority of people so they

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they don't like that eric weinstein is

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so popular and that's where the majority

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of their derision of him comes from

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at least i think so

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okay putting that aside

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if there was funding there i imagine i

560
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don't see why not people want money

561
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,240
scientists are people i don't see why

562
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:31,679
that wouldn't

563
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,760
more of an exploration of this topic

564
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,600
scientifically

565
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,679
and i i would like to know kurt and i'm

566
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,760
not asking you to speak for for others

567
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,159
but what do you think

568
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:46,159
intellectual scientists and that this

569
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,520
group of people that we're looking at

570
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,840
and talking about what would represent

571
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,159
good data to them i know that's

572
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,240
generalizing but

573
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,400
what for you would be good data look

574
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,559
we're not likely to go out and capture

575
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,039
an image of an alien spacecraft on

576
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:03,760
camera that's very unlikely but is it

577
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,559
the detection of you know gravitational

578
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,840
anomalies

579
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,440
or is it

580
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,120
i'm not going to surmise anymore yeah i

581
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,960
don't know i don't know that's that's

582
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,240
tricky

583
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,840
one that i think about is if there was

584
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,679
materials that was shared

585
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,520
for example there are claims that there

586
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,520
are meta materials around somewhere

587
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:24,480
lockheed martin yeah you hear that okay

588
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,919
well is this accessible to

589
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:29,760
is this accessible to

590
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,559
to scientists to people who to material

591
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,480
engineers

592
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,799
it doesn't seem like it is

593
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,280
while opening that up would be one

594
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:40,880
avenue at least for material engineer

595
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,080
from a material engineering standpoint

596
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,240
as for

597
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,080
see there was this wow signal i believe

598
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,000
it was called quite some time ago i

599
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,240
think in the 1970s but it was a one-off

600
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,440
event

601
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,720
so yeah it has to be repeatable

602
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,720
some event that's repeatable some event

603
00:22:06,070 --> 00:21:59,919
that

604
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,080
recall tom delong or recall someone

605
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,919
saying that tom delong said

606
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:09,360
that

607
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:19,360
where smaller uaps dock and come out of

608
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,559
and

609
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,919
go into

610
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,840
okay so that's if that was the case that

611
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,200
would be repeatable because you can just

612
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,350
i don't know

613
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,960
yeah one of those areas would appear to

614
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,120
be off the coast of of california and

615
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,360
catalina islands there's a lot of

616
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,480
interest around there and uapx are one

617
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,840
of those groups that are looking to go

618
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,440
out scientifically

619
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:43,440
and do some recording around that area

620
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,240
uh

621
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,840
so yeah that i again it's that

622
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,520
repeatability would add a lot of

623
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,360
credence and credibility to any

624
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,440
potential testing absolutely

625
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,919
nagu mentioned tom delong and recently i

626
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,640
saw you on dr brian keating's podcast

627
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,400
you were on with tom delong and jim

628
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,440
semivan

629
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,159
and i found it interesting watching you

630
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,240
on the interview because i felt you were

631
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,320
just soaking a lot of in of a lot of

632
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,640
what they were seeing in and what were

633
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,640
some of the things jim simavon and tom

634
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,559
delong discussed that you were most

635
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,000
surprised by

636
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,320
well i was i was relieved to know that

637
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:18,000
the government no longer practices

638
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:20,840
disinformation campaigns

639
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,320
um that's a joke yeah yeah i don't know

640
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:27,039
see but i'm saying that i'm jokingly

641
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,320
saying that and the reason is that so

642
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,320
many people are criticizing jim semivan

643
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,159
for saying that whereas for me i'm

644
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,000
thinking i didn't interpret him right or

645
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:36,960
he spoke incorrectly

646
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,679
because jim semivan is a bright person

647
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,080
he's not

648
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,480
i don't think what he said

649
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:46,080
or how we interpret what he said is what

650
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,279
he meant

651
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,360
i don't think so i could be

652
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:51,679
being extremely charitable i don't think

653
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,559
i am but i don't know so that's number

654
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,760
one

655
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:57,120
as for

656
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:58,559
i i didn't get to ask many of the

657
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,950
i would love to know what did

658
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,799
i want to ask well

659
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,440
about mutilations i want to ask about

660
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,360
intentions i want to ask about warring

661
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,760
gods particularly to tom de long i want

662
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:16,000
to ask about this antenna theory of his

663
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,360
of consciousness

664
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,430
well

665
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,960
i think that's enough

666
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,000
yeah no no that antenna theory i think

667
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,240
is relatively interesting the idea that

668
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,400
consciousness isn't based locally i

669
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,840
believe would be the word where you are

670
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,760
and you're just a receiver and you're

671
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,600
picking up consciousness from elsewhere

672
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,039
and um

673
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,600
i i get the feeling with tom delong

674
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,000
given the circles he has run in over the

675
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:44,559
past five six seven years

676
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,159
he has picked up so much information in

677
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,840
bits and pieces

678
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,159
and he has he's put it together in a way

679
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:54,720
that he feels makes sense

680
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,000
but if it was a a 100 piece jigsaw i

681
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,799
think he's got like 30 or 40 pieces

682
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,559
and it's starting to create a picture

683
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,760
for him

684
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,840
but he's having to fill in the gap he's

685
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,120
starting to have to fill in the gaps

686
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,520
himself and that's where he can seem to

687
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,760
really jump i don't know cur if you've

688
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,880
if you've seen

689
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,360
it was about a year ago tom de long sent

690
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,120
out a series of tweets it was about i

691
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,880
think it was one of seven two of seven

692
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,039
three or seven he sent out and he talked

693
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,000
about what if there was a place like

694
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,400
atlantis where thousands of years ago an

695
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,440
advanced civilization lost and ended up

696
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,760
under the water and what if

697
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,760
and i just get the feeling that's that's

698
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,159
tom delong's that he's he's been given a

699
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,320
lot of really good information that

700
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,600
there's some

701
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,679
there's never any you know smoke without

702
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,600
fire

703
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,760
but some of those gaps are definitely

704
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:47,440
missing for him and that's where people

705
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,000
can get lost in this conversation

706
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,000
you know andy i'm so hoping you know

707
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,520
people say this tom delong is a

708
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,520
disinformation agent

709
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:57,919
i'm so hoping that's the case i'm so

710
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,960
hoping that all of this talk about ufos

711
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:02,960
is pure disinformation and there's a

712
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,640
prosaic explanation for it i

713
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,120
well i'm just hoping that's the case

714
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:11,520
what does your gut tell you

715
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,720
i don't know my gut is unformed

716
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,200
it's that's a good place to be

717
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,440
yeah yeah it's like a squirrel you know

718
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,120
if you ever drive and you see a squirrel

719
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,640
that's about to cross the road

720
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,520
it's like

721
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:24,880
it doesn't know which way to go and then

722
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,080
just go i think louis ck had a louis ck

723
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,640
louis ck had a joke about that in deer

724
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,679
that's

725
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,679
exactly how i feel

726
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,960
i'm the deer

727
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,559
caught in the headlights of the of the

728
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,799
subject yeah yeah

729
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,799
and listen and you look at tom delong

730
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,360
and i genuinely my opinion for what it's

731
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,279
worth kurt i don't think tom is a

732
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,840
disinformation agent i would think he's

733
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,240
been told some things are correct i

734
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,760
think he's been told some things that

735
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,080
are deliberately incorrect

736
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,159
just to see what he comes out with then

737
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,799
it's like the bob lazar story it only

738
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,000
takes

739
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,320
an incredible story like bob lazar's to

740
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,600
have

741
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,200
one small

742
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,520
shred of doubt in there and it makes you

743
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,080
doubt the rest of the story even just a

744
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,400
spurious background like bob lazar has

745
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,080
and some of the business practices that

746
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,720
he's had would make you doubt well

747
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,039
let's just say it if if this gentleman

748
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,279
was a pimp then would he be working in

749
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,360
reverse engineering craft in a secret

750
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,039
government location out in the nevada

751
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,159
desert well do you know what why not

752
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,919
because yeah

753
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,399
why not have that that doubt because it

754
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,840
can just give the flexibility for a

755
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,399
government to deny who someone is or was

756
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,520
because that guy no not that guy

757
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,960
but that would be the guy you would want

758
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,640
doing it

759
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,559
when it comes to what people say i think

760
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:48,080
compartmentalization

761
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:49,520
is necessary and that's something we're

762
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,830
for example chris langan has a great

763
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,200
theory of everything it's one of the

764
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,360
best theories of everything out there

765
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,480
it's one of the most complicated

766
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,600
theories of everything out there

767
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,120
actually

768
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:04,960
and people will dismiss it because of

769
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:08,480
his views on race and somalia let's say

770
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,590
man man

771
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,080
perhaps the greatest skill of our time

772
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,240
is to vehemently disagree with someone

773
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,559
in one area and still hold them to be

774
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,720
possibly credible in another not dismiss

775
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:25,520
them

776
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,870
so when it comes to bob lazar i don't

777
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,720
care i don't put any weight to him

778
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:34,480
having a to him being first of all

779
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:38,399
what's wrong with running a brothel like

780
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,440
many

781
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,200
liberals think prostitution should be

782
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,720
completely legal if that's the case so

783
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,159
then what the heck that's no different

784
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:46,240
than any business and then what's wrong

785
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:47,360
with

786
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,320
well

787
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,480
lying about your credibility

788
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:51,600
like i mean there is something there's

789
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,720
always something wrong about lying

790
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,559
there's always something wrong about

791
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:57,039
lying but i as i understand people did

792
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,559
it plenty in the 70s that's not an

793
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,600
excuse

794
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,440
but it doesn't mean that he's it doesn't

795
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,120
mean that every other area of his life

796
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,039
is suspect any more than

797
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,640
anything that we say suspect because if

798
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,240
you were to analyze all that you've said

799
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,640
andrew and all that i've said and i

800
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,799
openly say that there's so many lies if

801
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:14,240
you look at

802
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,559
about one year ago and there are still

803
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,480
videos out there of me it's just

804
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,559
blatant tony robbins

805
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,960
copying like an epigon just this false

806
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,880
imitator it's so

807
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,760
embarrassing and my emails they're so

808
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:31,919
embarrassing make me cringe and there's

809
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,880
lies in there there's other lies like

810
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:36,559
like

811
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,399
helped a filmmaker earn twelve hundred

812
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,679
dollars well then i would say yeah look

813
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,919
i helped the filmmaker earn four digits

814
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,520
well i'm implying that it's greater than

815
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:51,600
that yeah so that's a lie of in and of

816
00:30:50,870 --> 00:29:56,630
i

817
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,880
were of value were brought over

818
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,320
regardless of what they had worked on

819
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,679
and what they've been a part of before

820
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,000
so i mean we've just compared compared

821
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:57,840
in a way bubbles are to the nazis but

822
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:00,640
you know the the general idea is correct

823
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,519
so yeah that's the disinformation stuff

824
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,399
for me

825
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,320
i don't go massively into it because you

826
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,320
can just start picking every single

827
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,399
aspect of this topic apart as as

828
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,480
disinformation and and you said earlier

829
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:13,840
cut that the

830
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,240
it's very splintered and split the ufo

831
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,480
community um especially from a social

832
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,240
media point of view there's so many

833
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,960
different compartments too ufology or

834
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:25,279
ufos or uaps whatever people want to

835
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,399
call them now

836
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,320
that it can be very splintered and

837
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,679
separated

838
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,600
what's your experience with the ufo

839
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:33,120
community being like and your

840
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,880
interactions i suppose especially online

841
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,880
luckily i'm not a part of the community

842
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,799
then some people would say well kurt

843
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:42,000
you're putting out videos that makes you

844
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,440
a part of the community let me tell you

845
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,880
what i defined as being a part of the

846
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,240
community

847
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,159
somewhat regularly posting on reddit at

848
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,840
least browsing reddit at least keeping

849
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,080
up with the newest ufo news being

850
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,919
heavily interested in so-and-so

851
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:55,519
revelations

852
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,269
being extremely knowledgeable none of

853
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,840
those i am none of those and what i am

854
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,840
is just someone who knows so little i'm

855
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:07,279
just an asinine

856
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:08,159
fool

857
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,039
who

858
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,799
is curious and

859
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,120
like a child i'm just asking

860
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,080
i'm i think this is an ex

861
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,799
think of me like a child i'm so immature

862
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,480
in many respects like you wouldn't want

863
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,760
to know but

864
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,919
like in

865
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,760
when it comes i'm just a child so i'm

866
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,760
like okay but why this and what and how

867
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,679
that and luckily i have some background

868
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,519
some scientific background so i can ask

869
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,200
some

870
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,159
at least ostensibly informed questions

871
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:39,360
scientifically but but majorly not

872
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,399
and so

873
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,760
i'm not a part of the community and

874
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:45,120
luckily i've been

875
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,480
extremely

876
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,480
blessed because many of the people in

877
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,880
the community perhaps they like that

878
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,880
see like i mentioned before it can't to

879
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,399
get scientists to take this issue

880
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,200
seriously it can't come from

881
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,000
outside science i mean it can start

882
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,240
there but it it also has to trickle down

883
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,269
into scientists and i'm not a scientist

884
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,640
but luckily

885
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,399
my audience and i don't like to use the

886
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,960
word my audience sorry i apologize for

887
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,519
that the audience the people who watch

888
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:17,039
the theories of everything channel the

889
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,320
reason why i don't like to use the word

890
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,840
my is because people aren't there for me

891
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:22,080
it's not about me and also it's not as

892
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,360
if they like everything from the channel

893
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,279
so i just want to put that out there the

894
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,120
people who watch the theories of

895
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,600
everything channel there's a huge

896
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,200
portion of them that are

897
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,600
professors that's actually a rare rare

898
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,519
quality to have professors watching your

899
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,480
show phd postdocs in science

900
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,320
so there's a portion of them a large

901
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,919
much larger than average

902
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,000
portion of them

903
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,080
they'll watch the show and when they see

904
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,840
someone like myself taking this topic

905
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,519
seriously maybe at first they roll their

906
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,640
eyes and then

907
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,880
they start to themselves take it more

908
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,559
seriously so if anything i'm making my

909
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,720
impact just by hosting conversations

910
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,360
like this and the ufo community

911
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,080
because i'm not a part of them i'm doing

912
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,600
this community of service by

913
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,120
legitimizing them and not saying that

914
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,559
they're

915
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,159
i call them fringe because they are

916
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,480
fringe but i don't use that in any

917
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,839
i don't mean that that's i don't mean

918
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,359
the fringe is not the same as false

919
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,040
fringe just means it's not accepted it's

920
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:17,200
on the edges the periphery the environs

921
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,399
the perimeter

922
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,800
so yeah it's not i don't know it's not a

923
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,639
derogatory term it's true that's what it

924
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:24,879
is it's a nation even this podcast

925
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,000
itself is nation within the ufo topic

926
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,839
people have even further niches and

927
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,879
drill down and it's those

928
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,399
specializations you talk about when it

929
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,399
comes to chemistry and science people

930
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,359
have that within the ufo community and i

931
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,119
i sit right on the edge and i am no

932
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,119
expert in anything i talk about when it

933
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,839
comes to ufos um i've got colleagues and

934
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,599
friends now it's like dan who obviously

935
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,599
have been conversing with as well his

936
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,760
knowledge is fantastic and we've got

937
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,200
friends like graham rendell who just

938
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,520
pulls dates and times and

939
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,599
events off the top of his head i can't

940
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,280
do that i don't have the memory or the

941
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,400
brain for it but what i do have is in a

942
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,560
way similar to yourself just without the

943
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,880
articulation that you have as i've got a

944
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,160
lot of questions and i've got an

945
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,720
inquisitive mind and i want to know more

946
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:10,480
and i think that's where someone like

947
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,079
yourself i'm really interested in

948
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,240
talking to for the podcast and people

949
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,079
get in touch and send in questions

950
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,000
because you're on the outside of the

951
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,640
subject you don't have a bias that oh

952
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,320
well he knows about this event and he

953
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,560
thinks these are et's coming from this

954
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,520
civilization so people appreciate that

955
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,079
new fresh approach that i would like to

956
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,079
think is going to be fluid and malleable

957
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,320
and as you go along your journey and you

958
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,000
you interview more people which i'm sure

959
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,160
you will you'll be able to change your

960
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,160
opinion and let it be formed and when

961
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,560
you hear new information like i do i'm

962
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,400
quite happy that tomorrow if something

963
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,920
comes to light that

964
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,839
i make no secret like louis elizondo

965
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,560
luis elizondo i put a lot of stock into

966
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,079
what he has said and what he's come out

967
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,720
with given his his former role with ata

968
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,560
within the us government

969
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,119
if that all turned out to be false in

970
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:01,119
some way shape or form i would have no

971
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,720
problem holding my hand up and saying

972
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:04,480
okay that's fine where do we go from

973
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:05,359
here

974
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,599
who are so hard and steadfast in what

975
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,760
they believe and they've believed it for

976
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,480
so long that it has to be right there's

977
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,920
no other option

978
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,000
and that's that's just two of the groups

979
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,599
i think within the whole community as

980
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:21,040
well

981
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:22,240
yeah and to

982
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,280
to give

983
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,079
to steel men them the people who if any

984
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:28,079
crit if i get any criticism it would

985
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,200
only be

986
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,520
why are you hosting this guest

987
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,560
rather than

988
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:34,880
critiques directed at me per se

989
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:37,760
luckily i tend to get well luckily i

990
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,550
okay let's drop that when i

991
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,720
i get critiqued occasionally like why

992
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,160
did you hold travis walton he's

993
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,720
obviously lying or why did you host

994
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,800
i said hold i didn't hold traffic

995
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,190
why did why did i host luis elisando

996
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,880
disinformation agent

997
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,960
if there ever was one that's for sure

998
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,359
and ross and so on

999
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:06,160
but those are extreme minorities because

1000
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,280
it's also

1001
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,359
well see

1002
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,480
i am sympathetic to the people who

1003
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,960
who give those critiques as well because

1004
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,079
this is such

1005
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:17,760
i view this as an important issue i

1006
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,400
think even the scientists who

1007
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,160
ridicule this view it as an extremely

1008
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,990
and i can

1009
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,079
i can somewhat prove that in the sense

1010
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:30,000
that they constantly say wouldn't it be

1011
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,359
great to know if there was life on other

1012
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,680
planets okay well it would be one of the

1013
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,880
greatest discoveries to know there

1014
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,480
exists life and that life is interested

1015
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,480
in us that's a huge huge huge huge

1016
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:39,680
discovery

1017
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,190
this is a huge issue to

1018
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:48,480
many people in it it changes

1019
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,599
see

1020
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,800
there's also this quote that says

1021
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,000
it's a quote but i'm going to butcher it

1022
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,760
which means not i'm not doing it it's

1023
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,680
not a quote anymore but there's the

1024
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,280
sentiment that says something like the

1025
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,359
way that science works or the way that

1026
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,560
paradigms work in culture is first you

1027
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,320
put up a proposition it's ridiculed

1028
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,560
intensely then it's seen as obviously

1029
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,560
true later once it's been accepted and

1030
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,400
then you find it foolish that anyone

1031
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,480
didn't believe in it i imagine that's

1032
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,839
going to be the case when it comes to

1033
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,760
ufos if anything's ever revealed because

1034
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,839
i know some people who are so hearted so

1035
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,839
obstinate against

1036
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,760
it being a true phenomenon but i have a

1037
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,920
feeling that if it comes to light that

1038
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,839
there exists something that are

1039
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,599
that are otherworldly or other human

1040
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:31,200
like or there's

1041
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,320
that there's some truth there's some

1042
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,680
veracity to this

1043
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,960
that they would say well ah obviously so

1044
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,200
and humans acclimate people acclimate

1045
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,760
quickly so they would

1046
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,520
they they wouldn't have any problems

1047
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,960
doing so and not they wouldn't see their

1048
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,599
own hypocrisy or feel any need to be

1049
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,160
apologetic or feel any need to be

1050
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,839
more open-minded and more willing to

1051
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,400
listen to people who in on other issues

1052
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:56,000
are saying hey there's veracity to

1053
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,470
yeah i was going somewhere and i believe

1054
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:06,160
i lost my train

1055
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,440
but it doesn't matter

1056
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,200
no that's okay listen you've mentioned a

1057
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:11,280
few names cut like bob lazar travis

1058
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,320
walton

1059
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,160
and i remember is it all right if i

1060
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:15,599
interrupt you

1061
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,480
what i was going to say is that the

1062
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:17,839
people who

1063
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,800
hosting this person they're

1064
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,640
disinformation

1065
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:25,119
they're just information artists or

1066
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:29,119
agents agents right yeah right

1067
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,000
it's

1068
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,150
they're right in this in the sense that

1069
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,440
it's an important issue why would you

1070
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:37,599
want to muddle it

1071
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,270
how they're right in that regard

1072
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,720
it's just so tricky because you don't

1073
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,880
know there's such a lack of data and you

1074
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,480
asked me what data would there be that

1075
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,480
would be what would be great data like

1076
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,680
what would be what would make it more

1077
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,440
palatable i think was your word i think

1078
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,880
double blind studies triple blind

1079
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,240
studies but how do you do that with

1080
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,599
regard to this phenomenon i don't know

1081
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,079
i was talking with dan and i have a new

1082
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,640
show starting on kgra radio called the

1083
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,119
other show it's a spin-off of this um

1084
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,760
but it's original fresh content and we

1085
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,240
were looking at a video of it it's never

1086
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:14,720
been debunked shall we say from turkey

1087
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,079
in 2008 and it's filmed with a old

1088
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,800
handheld video camera and the turkish

1089
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,599
gentleman is filming this object that

1090
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,319
from the the naked eye he says and it's

1091
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,200
been translated as just a dot in the sky

1092
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,680
and he zooms in to this object and you

1093
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,720
can clearly see if this is genuine it's

1094
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,560
the best footage of of what you would

1095
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,400
see as a uf4

1096
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,319
spacecraft yeah i'll send you the link

1097
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,920
over yeah um

1098
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,880
however

1099
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,240
dan and i were breaking it down and

1100
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,280
discussing what we thought of it and

1101
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,119
you can actually see we don't know if

1102
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,520
it's paradilia but there's potentially

1103
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,520
two occupants actually filmed within the

1104
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:55,200
front of it

1105
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,160
and

1106
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,240
dan had said himself that he thought it

1107
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,160
would look like the the dimensions would

1108
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,079
be out because the heads would be too

1109
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,160
big and it's still quite blurry given

1110
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,440
you know how far away they're filming

1111
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,000
from but like i said to dan it's like we

1112
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,240
don't know there is literally no

1113
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,160
evidence of a true

1114
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,640
alien and quotation mark spacecraft that

1115
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,520
we have that we know is 100 genuine so

1116
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,040
how would we know what one of these

1117
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,960
things would actually look like

1118
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,720
so we can say that yeah that looks too

1119
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,640
big or that looks too small or that

1120
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,800
looks fake or that looks cgi yeah you

1121
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,480
have nothing appeared to yeah for all we

1122
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,800
know that that is what that looks like

1123
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,400
and it also matches

1124
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,720
for straighten it also reminds me of

1125
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,160
when people say

1126
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,760
life as we know it like they're looking

1127
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,960
for life in other planets but then

1128
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,560
they'll say life as we know it is so and

1129
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,000
so but there could be life as we don't

1130
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,000
know it yeah but what makes you call it

1131
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,640
life then you have no comparison like is

1132
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,960
the air life is fire life is the sun

1133
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,200
life

1134
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,960
i i really hope and there's a line of

1135
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,560
thinking that if if you're spoken to

1136
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:56,560
luis elizondo he may have brought up

1137
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,599
that potentially some of these these

1138
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,839
crafter objects entities beings whatever

1139
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,000
they may be are

1140
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,720
more closer to home than we realize and

1141
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,560
i would love for that discovery to be

1142
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,400
made before we find there's alien life

1143
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,400
on other planets that there's another

1144
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,560
non-human intelligence more intelligent

1145
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,920
than us already here

1146
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,680
either on this planet or sharing the

1147
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,920
same spaces as

1148
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,839
uh

1149
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,200
interesting yeah

1150
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,640
i'll send you the link to that as well

1151
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:29,119
when i spoke to louise elizondo car i'll

1152
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,480
explain this and the listeners that are

1153
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,079
relatively new to the podcast might not

1154
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,240
have heard this one yet i asked lou he'd

1155
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,079
made a quote in in the past on a

1156
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,520
different interview a couple of years

1157
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:38,319
ago

1158
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,359
that um

1159
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,040
what does it mean to be human and he

1160
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,079
talked about is it mankind or mankind's

1161
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,680
and i asked him to follow up on that

1162
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,280
quote because no one really had before

1163
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,280
but it was something people brought up

1164
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:52,160
and he used an analogy which uh if you

1165
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,599
butchered a quote before i'll butcher

1166
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,760
this analogy for you he said imagine a

1167
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,319
cigar where the the piece of the cigar

1168
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,960
that's burned away is the past

1169
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,480
what you have still to burn is the

1170
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,720
future and what is burning in the middle

1171
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,800
is the cherry now if you look at that

1172
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,040
cherry where it's burning in that moment

1173
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,640
that is the here and now

1174
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,160
but when you look at it up close it's

1175
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,400
not symmetrical there's an overlap and

1176
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,480
it's not all burning at the same time

1177
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,920
and he said to me what if there was

1178
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,079
another species or

1179
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,599
or race

1180
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,240
that could experience that time

1181
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,319
differently that if you and i could be

1182
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,079
having this interview

1183
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,680
but you're having it five minutes from

1184
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,640
now

1185
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,240
and that's the way lou explained to me

1186
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,960
his comment of mankind's

1187
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,720
um so i'll send you that one over as

1188
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,640
well because you'll probably appreciate

1189
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,400
the where he's coming from with it but

1190
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,319
there's a line of thinking that some of

1191
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,640
these objects especially the ones that

1192
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,480
the the us military are encountering off

1193
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,560
the coast of california

1194
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,520
may be

1195
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,000
based here rather than from some far-off

1196
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,470
i see me as a physic i'm not a physicist

1197
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,640
but me with my physics

1198
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,680
mind

1199
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,760
i'm wondering about it sounds like there

1200
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,839
are multiple time dimensions see most

1201
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,599
theories tend to have multiple spatial

1202
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,240
dimensions and then one time component

1203
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,319
there are other theories with multiple

1204
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:11,680
time components as well i believe

1205
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,040
twister but i'm not sure twister theory

1206
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,839
either way this lends credence to some

1207
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:20,000
that's the only way i can

1208
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,200
well that's what it that's what's

1209
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,200
occurring to me when he says that

1210
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,200
i'll send you those links so that the

1211
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,280
turkey ufo which i'll put in the link

1212
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,560
for this show as well because people

1213
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,480
will no doubt now be interested in that

1214
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,319
and the the link as well to his

1215
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,640
mankind's analogy which uh got a few

1216
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,920
people talking at the time when he when

1217
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,839
he came out with that one um if you

1218
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,280
don't mind i'll go back to the question

1219
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,720
i was asking before where you had

1220
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,720
mentioned bob lazar travis walton some

1221
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,240
of those names

1222
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:45,599
are there any

1223
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,280
aspects of this topic that you feel

1224
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,520
as that are taboo even for you to

1225
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,359
discuss you mentioned mutilations

1226
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,560
earlier so that's something you're

1227
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,000
interested in but

1228
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,760
is there anything that you find too out

1229
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,280
there or too woo

1230
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,880
that you you just don't really want to

1231
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,079
go into

1232
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,760
no

1233
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:05,119
you're that's good though though you're

1234
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,480
quite happy to go with do you know what

1235
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:08,240
a conversation is is just that it's a

1236
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:09,520
conversation

1237
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,880
yeah i go with my intuition and i also

1238
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,280
i guide myself with this person like i

1239
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,119
use body language and my judgment and

1240
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,440
intuition but i also try to say that

1241
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,200
what if what this person is saying is

1242
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,280
true what would the implications of that

1243
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,920
be i'm not looking for flaws in them

1244
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
because i'm not a skeptic

1245
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:29,280
i'm more trying to understand their

1246
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,400
point of view

1247
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,760
and

1248
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,280
if they're all if they're making it on

1249
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,560
the channel i've done

1250
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,800
at least a preliminary

1251
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,640
a superficial look

1252
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,760
at their

1253
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,960
repertoire

1254
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,480
and i've come to the conclusion that

1255
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,520
they're not

1256
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,440
being dishonest

1257
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,480
and i'm

1258
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,640
could be incorrect about that everyone

1259
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,040
is dishonest in many ways

1260
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,880
so

1261
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,319
it doesn't mean that they're

1262
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,920
it doesn't mean they're dishonest when

1263
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:57,680
it comes to the ufo stories but either

1264
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,400
way i follow them and i and i think

1265
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,920
you'd be extremely surprised at what i'm

1266
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,920
willing to entertain i think most people

1267
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,520
would be extremely surprised some people

1268
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,960
think that

1269
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,119
i'm entertaining this ufo topic because

1270
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,440
it's getting it's terribly successful in

1271
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,359
the sense of views

1272
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,760
but that's

1273
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,240
like i mentioned the robert

1274
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:20,000
jeremy the jeremy corbell and the kevin

1275
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,359
knuth were my first and those weren't

1276
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:23,599
extremely successful at all in fact i

1277
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,040
got criticized heavily for them and i i

1278
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,440
can't say anything right now but

1279
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,920
for my other topics like consciousness i

1280
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,040
actually

1281
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,000
can make far far i get far more views

1282
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,920
and i'm offered well i can just tell you

1283
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,160
this there are people who have offered

1284
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,720
me more money than the channel has made

1285
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,640
more money than

1286
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,520
year

1287
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,839
for one month or two months of my time

1288
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,599
to study their consciousness theory

1289
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,119
there are people who have offered me

1290
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,440
that and i could do that

1291
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,280
so in some ways consciousness is far

1292
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:59,200
more profitable

1293
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,920
but

1294
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,480
i'm just interested in this ufo

1295
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,800
topic i'm just extremely interested and

1296
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,079
i think people would be surprised what

1297
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,079
i'm willing to entertain

1298
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,680
well listen i've got a few listener

1299
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,520
questions for you kurt but just before

1300
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,119
that i've got i suppose i'm going to

1301
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:15,200
call it a listener question it was dan

1302
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,640
and i felt this would be a nice way to

1303
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,160
kind of round off this portion of the

1304
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,480
interview um and his question is on

1305
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,200
consciousness and spirituality and dan

1306
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,880
says we're only beginning to scratch the

1307
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,720
surface of the implications of these

1308
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,960
subjects and it's been noticed there's

1309
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,440
overlap between the two areas what do

1310
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,119
you think of the ideas of sir roger

1311
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,200
penrose and others that consciousness

1312
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,240
permeates everything

1313
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:40,720
it could be

1314
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:44,960
i think i was talking to

1315
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,119
aha i was talking to amjad hussein

1316
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,880
somjad hussain is a supporter of the

1317
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,880
theories of everything podcast

1318
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:53,920
he has a company called algo

1319
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,800
and i was talking with him

1320
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,760
saying

1321
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,359
that there may be a duality between

1322
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,160
materialism and idealism

1323
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,599
there may be there are plenty of

1324
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,240
dualities in physics and dualities are a

1325
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,160
technical term in math so there are

1326
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:11,200
plenty of dualities in math for example

1327
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,319
um

1328
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,079
stone duality is one so there's a

1329
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,160
duality between topologies certain

1330
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,920
topological spaces which is you can

1331
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,160
think of as geometric spaces and then

1332
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,760
boolean algebras are certain it's called

1333
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,000
sober spaces i believe that's correct

1334
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,680
and then that means that there's an

1335
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:27,839
analogy between

1336
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,160
logic and geometry okay when you have a

1337
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,160
when you have more than just an analogy

1338
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,839
that's called a duality

1339
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,000
it has a formalized term in something

1340
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,920
called category theory in math but it

1341
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,359
doesn't matter there's a duality what

1342
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,960
i'm wondering is if there's a duality

1343
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:45,200
between physicalism

1344
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:46,400
and

1345
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,480
i'm i don't

1346
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:52,800
i don't know i don't

1347
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,589
i don't see it as being implausible that

1348
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,680
consciousness is all there is

1349
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,760
i think if one takes bernardo castro's

1350
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,440
point of view and one is trying to be a

1351
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,440
scientist which a scientist is governed

1352
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:07,920
by occam's razor then i don't know how

1353
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,910
but

1354
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,359
it could be the case that all there is

1355
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,119
is material and consciousness is an

1356
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,800
epiphenomenon it could be the case that

1357
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,720
consciousness is what's fundamental i

1358
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,880
don't know

1359
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,640
i hope dan appreciates me asking that

1360
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,319
question because he should have been

1361
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,920
here for the follow-up to that because i

1362
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,520
am in no position to be asking a

1363
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,280
follow-up for to that answer so i

1364
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,440
appreciate that cut now cut i've got a

1365
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,119
few listener questions before we finish

1366
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:36,960
off i would love to get your thoughts on

1367
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,920
uh michael got in touch and he wanted to

1368
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,920
know that um and i had asked you earlier

1369
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,680
what prompted you to start looking at

1370
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,920
the uap subject michael would like to

1371
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:48,319
know what aspect if any has kept your

1372
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:59,349
like i mentioned

1373
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,240
that

1374
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,640
party which is just four people

1375
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,200
for the rapping of better left and said

1376
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,200
there was an editor one of the

1377
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,960
co-editors actually he said kurt you

1378
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,160
know there's something watch these

1379
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,400
videos and i was just completely

1380
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,720
lambasting him for saying that ufos are

1381
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,280
even a potentiality a potential

1382
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,200
and either way i watched some of those

1383
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,640
videos i was

1384
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,480
i wouldn't say convinced because i'm not

1385
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,520
convinced in any one direction but i but

1386
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,599
i was peaked let's say that i found a

1387
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:30,000
peak int so then i continued to watch

1388
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,200
and

1389
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,839
what

1390
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,599
pretty much first grabbed my attention

1391
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,440
what kept my attention

1392
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,359
is

1393
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:41,359
it just seems like

1394
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,190
when it comes to legal cases like let's

1395
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,520
say a rape trial or a murder trial

1396
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,520
serious issues where someone is first of

1397
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:53,040
all there's a

1398
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,319
huge suffering involved and then

1399
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,760
someone's going to get put away maybe to

1400
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,520
the death penalty

1401
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:59,359
that

1402
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,480
and forget about the death penalty

1403
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:01,520
because maybe this doesn't play but

1404
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,720
locked up in prison in prison

1405
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,040
that what counts as testimonial there

1406
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,119
it's not always dna evidence not always

1407
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,559
hard evidence

1408
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,880
it's often independent witness

1409
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,400
testimonial

1410
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,160
and there's plenty of independent

1411
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,839
independent witness testimonial for some

1412
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:18,800
of these

1413
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,200
so if we're willing to lock up people

1414
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:26,240
walk them up remove their liberties

1415
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,520
brand them

1416
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,359
ostracize them if we're willing to do

1417
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,720
that

1418
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:32,720
then

1419
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,559
if this ufo phenomenon was put on trial

1420
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,960
would it be seen as

1421
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,599
as as true or not true just based on a

1422
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,280
jury i don't i think that

1423
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,200
there's i think that in some cases

1424
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,440
there's more evidence for

1425
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,160
the certain

1426
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:52,000
not the ufo phenomenon wholesale as

1427
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,359
being true because there's obviously

1428
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,119
many claims there's certain aspects of

1429
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,520
it being true then there are for

1430
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,040
certain people

1431
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,640
then there are then there is evidence

1432
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,000
that certain people committed a murder

1433
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:04,480
and they're in jail anyway yeah that's a

1434
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:05,680
good point i like the way you've put

1435
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,480
that um logan had a question and first

1436
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,400
off says i love how fascinated and

1437
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,319
curious cut is about the phenomenon as a

1438
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,200
whole but especially skin walker ranch

1439
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,200
what is the most intriguing topic about

1440
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,119
skinwalker and one question that you

1441
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,280
would like to ask brandon fugle or

1442
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,800
someone who has the most knowledge on

1443
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,559
the subject

1444
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,440
portals portals are interesting

1445
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,960
bigfoot is interesting to me and that's

1446
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,880
another one a guy

1447
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:32,960
man like i said you'd be so surprised at

1448
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,549
i am i'm a fan of les strout who's

1449
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,160
survivor man and when he did a bigfoot

1450
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,839
series i used to

1451
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,599
i stopped doing this but i used to watch

1452
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,920
les stroud are you familiar with lystra

1453
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,680
i've heard the name do you know it's

1454
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:49,200
like it's funny when you say how much

1455
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,480
that i'd be surprised you would

1456
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,240
entertain i wonder if the opposite would

1457
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,240
be true where you would be surprised at

1458
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,680
some of the things i tend not to

1459
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,079
entertain because i just go

1460
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:01,040
really but i i have to also appreciate

1461
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,640
given my interests and what i do

1462
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,800
entertain i'll always entertain other

1463
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,800
people so bigfoot's just one of those

1464
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,960
that i've never and all the things i've

1465
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,480
got an interest in in the world of the

1466
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,839
paranormal

1467
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,520
that then again i used to get into the

1468
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,760
loch ness monster when i was a kid

1469
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:20,000
so i can't okay well i'm not i'm not

1470
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,440
interested in the loch ness but i

1471
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,359
haven't researched it much anyway when

1472
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,520
it comes to bigfoot even jane goodall

1473
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:27,680
who's a primatologist hey there could be

1474
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,040
bigfoot and if there is we should be

1475
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,520
conserving it because it's endangered

1476
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,040
and so that's

1477
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,200
that's what i mean by it seems like like

1478
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,400
the more i say that the more the

1479
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,839
scientists would be like oh okay maybe

1480
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,599
there is because they want approval from

1481
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,960
other scientists as soon as they say

1482
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,480
well jane goodall says then they're like

1483
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:46,559
maybe there is something like bigfoot

1484
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,079
they don't evaluate it on their own

1485
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,480
anyway lestrade who's survivorman who

1486
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,559
i'm interviewing just about a week or so

1487
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,720
he had a series on bigfoot

1488
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,000
so i've been interested in bigfoot i

1489
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,000
used to watch lester out as i go to

1490
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,920
sleep because it's just calming but then

1491
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,599
he plays a harmonica in the middle of an

1492
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:03,760
episode so it's just waking me up and i

1493
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,720
have such insomnia man less like what

1494
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,400
are you doing man i'm right about to

1495
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,599
fall and then i can't fall asleep for

1496
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,760
hours and hours so i can't watch lester

1497
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,760
out anymore regardless

1498
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,839
about skinwalker i'm interested in

1499
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,920
bigfoot's connection why the heck

1500
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,240
is bigfoot mentioned at all

1501
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,400
as concomitant with ufos it seems

1502
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,680
strange to me when it comes to

1503
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,680
poltergeists now that is like that's

1504
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,960
terrifying to me so there are some

1505
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,559
subjects i'm unwilling to go because i'm

1506
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,760
scared and i would say that's the

1507
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,680
majority of them that's yeah it wouldn't

1508
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,119
be because they're

1509
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:37,680
out there it'd be because i lack courage

1510
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,799
i'm a recreate craven i'm gutless in

1511
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,960
many respects

1512
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,839
okay then what i would ask brandon

1513
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:50,470
why is he he's a billionaire is that

1514
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:51,359
correct

1515
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,319
uh yeah by the way he's a

1516
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:54,559
multi-millionaire why don't you invest

1517
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,640
in 8k cameras 8k forget about 4k

1518
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,880
8k cameras that can stream

1519
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,559
if they don't exist

1520
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,480
develop them it's not that

1521
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,720
i'm sure it's not that difficult nathan

1522
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,880
mirval develops his own cameras

1523
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:10,880
okay so develop 8k cameras that can

1524
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,319
stream and stream all around your

1525
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,839
place why don't you do this and stream

1526
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,760
it to reddit and stream it to twitter or

1527
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,160
stream it to play every so people like

1528
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,000
you people like

1529
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,760
people who are interested can comb

1530
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,680
through the footage i don't know why

1531
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,960
that's not done and then also some of

1532
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,400
the other data streams so if he's

1533
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,960
monitoring noise like vibrations stream

1534
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:33,119
that if he's monitoring

1535
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,040
um a seismic activity stream that

1536
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,799
i don't know why i don't know why he

1537
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,000
doesn't do it i imagine he would say

1538
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,960
well you you can't connect to satellites

1539
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,359
i don't know i don't know why

1540
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,839
it's not done i believe part of the

1541
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,839
reason that at least would be given

1542
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,599
would be that there's a lot of issues

1543
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:53,200
regarding any electrical equipment

1544
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,799
including cameras i spoke to the um

1545
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,960
ranch superintendent and also brian

1546
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,960
arnold who's the chief of security for

1547
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,680
the ranch and they comment how when the

1548
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,440
series is being filmed

1549
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,280
a lot of the stuff that you can't see is

1550
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,280
when the camera crews go to set up to

1551
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,240
film a particular piece or scene or

1552
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,480
experiment and the camera equipment

1553
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,559
itself just won't work and they'll

1554
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,160
they'll swear the batteries are fully

1555
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,760
charged what they've got on location

1556
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,359
they'll have backup batteries that won't

1557
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,359
work but obviously they can't show you

1558
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,440
or film this because it's the equipment

1559
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,599
itself which is failing so again i

1560
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,079
wonder i i would enjoy that i would i

1561
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,680
would like to see some kind of permanent

1562
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,480
live stream for the the site but

1563
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,920
i'm guessing that would be part of the

1564
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:38,079
reasoning

1565
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:38,960
yeah

1566
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,960
me is there are analog ways of capturing

1567
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,359
video it's so

1568
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,760
it's so

1569
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,760
it's not easily done though because it's

1570
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,839
heavy equipment i'm seeing cameras where

1571
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,920
you crank like old film cameras but then

1572
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,440
you'd have to lug that around and let's

1573
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,720
say you were filming in the middle of a

1574
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,839
field well where are you going to bring

1575
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,240
that each time i understand

1576
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,559
i i always selfishly wonder from uh

1577
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,559
maybe not selfishly but the us

1578
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,160
government once had

1579
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,720
bob bigelow and ned's reporting on

1580
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:13,119
skinwalker ranch before brandon fugle

1581
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:14,720
and they had a heavy interest in

1582
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,599
investment in the property i very much

1583
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,520
doubt given what potentially goes on

1584
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,280
there that they completely walked away

1585
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:23,119
from that so i wonder if they would even

1586
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,240
allow

1587
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:26,720
maybe brandon fugle would say that and

1588
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,000
he has said that the us government has

1589
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,160
no involvement in the property anymore i

1590
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,480
would i would question that if what goes

1591
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,400
on in that property is is absolutely

1592
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,839
correct then

1593
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,760
why would the us government just just

1594
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:40,559
leave it to the hands of our

1595
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,190
yeah

1596
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,960
i think i asked brandon something

1597
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,839
similar but yeah uh i'd like to see you

1598
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,760
get brandon on your i haven't seen any

1599
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:55,200
streams at all

1600
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:56,960
i don't know if he's ever streamed so

1601
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:00,000
their equipment works at times

1602
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,960
last

1603
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:02,960
year earlier this year where they they

1604
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,599
set up cameras around various locations

1605
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,079
and streamed and someone put together a

1606
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,319
time lapse of the the whole stream over

1607
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,599
the course of i think seven or eight

1608
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:12,480
minutes

1609
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,280
um and it cuts to various locations

1610
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:17,359
all that you see of any interest is one

1611
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,839
or two lights in the sky shooting across

1612
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,599
that was just over one

1613
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:25,280
24-hour period

1614
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,400
um

1615
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,319
kyle has a question for you and wants to

1616
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,319
know with the data that cut has coming

1617
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,640
his way in such a short period of time

1618
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,480
where is he leaning on the nature of the

1619
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:36,400
phenomenon is there one theory that

1620
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,069
no i don't have my thoughts sorted out

1621
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,480
so i'm unable to make the comparisons

1622
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:46,319
still on the fence

1623
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,599
it's not that i'm on the fence i just

1624
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,200
don't know see so many people they'll

1625
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,799
say kurt you're so open-minded i like

1626
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:52,559
that man you have no idea it's just that

1627
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:55,839
i'm a fool i'm like inane and just

1628
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,240
jejune so i'm like a child

1629
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,559
it's not as if i'm open-minded

1630
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,240
i don't know it's better to think of i

1631
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,559
don't know any better

1632
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,720
um ezra had a question but you've sort

1633
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,400
of answered it anyway and it was on your

1634
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,960
thoughts on the role that consciousness

1635
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,040
may play in this phenomena have you got

1636
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,440
anything more you could expand on that

1637
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,030
um i think when people say consciousness

1638
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,559
has something to do with this what they

1639
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,400
mean is that

1640
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,920
it's as if

1641
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,520
let's imagine there's a material world

1642
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,200
in a consciousness world if we can

1643
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,440
formulate it as such

1644
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,520
it's as if we're in this physical world

1645
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,119
that is the material world the physical

1646
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,040
world we interact with consciousness and

1647
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,599
it's as if there is some other entity

1648
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:41,359
that is some other player or agent

1649
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,640
somewhere that can interact more

1650
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,480
with more facility in this consciousness

1651
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,880
world perhaps even interact with us

1652
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,119
i think that's what they mean

1653
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:53,359
i think on i think that one way to think

1654
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,720
about it is an amoeba or a slug in this

1655
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,720
physical world

1656
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,799
if we are vastly more capable in this

1657
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,319
physical world of manipulating our

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01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,839
objects like i can hold a pen and i can

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01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,040
write with them we can create tools and

1660
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,359
so on a slug slug cannot do that amoebas

1661
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,640
cannot do that

1662
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,920
i wonder

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01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,839
if there exists agents in this

1664
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,839
consciousness world we're like slugs in

1665
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,920
this consciousness world whereas we're

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01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,119
these

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01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,480
beasts

1668
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:21,040
in the physical world

1669
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,640
we're like slugs in the consciousness

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01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:25,200
world and there are beasts in the

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01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,640
in the consciousness world and they just

1672
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:29,040
see us as these little

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01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,349
creatures who

1674
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,309
who have who are so easily trampled on

1675
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:44,480
and manipulated

1676
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,920
or just

1677
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,520
they're just at a certain stage of

1678
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,280
consciousness evolution now all that's

1679
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,359
huge speculation and i'm also using

1680
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,799
these terms consciousness and

1681
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,720
consciousness field and so on

1682
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:57,040
colloquially to properly

1683
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:58,319
use them

1684
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,520
i don't know how to properly use the

1685
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,160
word consciousness but i'm using

1686
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,319
to properly use the word field

1687
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,000
one would have a

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01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,920
physics definition unless one wants to

1689
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,359
take the colloquial definition which is

1690
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,640
what i'm saying i'm using these words

1691
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:12,079
colloquially and i'm surprising i don't

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01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,520
know

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01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,119
it's in the way that someone like myself

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01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:16,799
would would understand and you're using

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01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,520
it in in the right way for me

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01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,680
especially from an abduction phenomena

1697
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,599
point of view there's a lot of theories

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01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,839
that potentially it's the conscious

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01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,200
consciousness of a person that is

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01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,920
abducted and that i use this example

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01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,760
earlier that if you were in bed beside

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01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,240
your partner your partner could see you

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01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,240
lying asleep the whole evening

1704
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,000
and not see you leave that bed

1705
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:40,880
physically but your your consciousness

1706
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,680
is taken and for many that could be what

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01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,839
an abduction experience is that you

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01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,079
physically don't leave the place you are

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01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,400
but if these beings or entities can

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01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,799
manipulate or are in a higher evolved

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01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,559
state of consciousness then maybe that's

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01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,200
what an abduction is

1713
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,760
have there been cases that you know of

1714
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,920
where someone claims adamantly to have

1715
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,440
been abducted but their partner says

1716
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,119
well i i don't know what this guy's

1717
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,520
talking about i can't give you exact

1718
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:09,200
details off the top of my head because

1719
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,200
like i say not how my memory works but

1720
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,119
there are cases and i could send you

1721
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:15,039
some stuff over to to look at when i get

1722
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,549
but i i i quite like that theory there's

1723
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,079
of course subduction theory uh

1724
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,680
production experiences where people

1725
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:25,440
physically claim to have left like

1726
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,000
travis walton and calvin parker and such

1727
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,319
but yeah um the idea that it's the

1728
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:31,920
consciousness that goes

1729
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:34,160
especially when it comes to you know uh

1730
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,520
you hear about people who have night

1731
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,400
terrors or sorry sleep paralysis and

1732
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,079
their their body's asleep but they're

1733
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,160
awake and then some people claim that

1734
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:44,720
beings can take their consciousness and

1735
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,640
yeah it's it goes in there really

1736
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,000
strange and you know what like you

1737
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,400
mentioned before kind of scary area

1738
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:51,920
because that's some some terrifying

1739
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,799
stuff to think about um and tom delong

1740
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,119
himself has touched on some really scary

1741
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,359
ideas when it comes to this topic

1742
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:01,119
and one of those being that if the us

1743
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,960
government really was powerless to stop

1744
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,039
things like that that could send people

1745
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:06,960
into a panic especially from an

1746
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,109
i'll try and get some stuff for you to

1747
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:14,880
to send over i'll make a note of that as

1748
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,190
and last last question was from dave

1749
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:23,440
he wants to know how far do you think

1750
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:27,039
the proposed new uap government office

1751
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:28,960
could change the nature of scientific

1752
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,880
involvement with the phenomena do you

1753
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,559
think that could potentially lend more

1754
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:34,480
credibility that the government has an

1755
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:39,910
yeah

1756
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,200
yes

1757
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,839
i don't know how much of a big deal it

1758
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,680
would be

1759
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,520
because

1760
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,359
the government

1761
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:53,599
heavily invested in remote viewing at

1762
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,960
one point and it's not as if the

1763
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,880
scientific community at one point maybe

1764
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,720
still does it's not as if the scientific

1765
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,160
community

1766
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:02,400
is

1767
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:06,960
exploring everything because firstly

1768
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,680
it's desperate it doesn't know and

1769
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,359
secondly well

1770
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,880
you want every advantage that you can

1771
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,640
possibly get so why not just like if

1772
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:16,319
your mother

1773
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:17,920
and your child is gone you'll go to a

1774
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,510
to try and get unsure yeah

1775
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,960
i understand that

1776
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,720
i can imagine that some scientists would

1777
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,400
say that

1778
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,160
awesome

1779
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,920
kurt it has been an absolute pleasure

1780
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,160
speaking with you i wish i could

1781
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,400
articulate thoughts the way you can can

1782
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,640
speak so uh it's been it's been really

1783
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:42,880
good conversing and i love your take and

1784
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:44,559
approach to the topic and especially

1785
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,440
your channel is a is interviewing people

1786
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,839
i've seen interviewed many times

1787
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:52,160
but your your your questioning and the

1788
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:54,000
way you're approaching things make for a

1789
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:55,920
very fresh perspective so i appreciate

1790
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:58,079
that and i know other people do as well

1791
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,599
i would just ask if you want to promote

1792
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,200
the channel how can people find it how

1793
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:03,200
can they follow you and what's coming up

1794
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,640
for you next

1795
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,559
sure you can go to theories of

1796
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,880
everything well search theories of

1797
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,480
everything on youtube and it'll come up

1798
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:12,160
it looks apparently like reese's pieces

1799
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:13,200
the logo

1800
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:14,640
that's just what i've been telling yeah

1801
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:15,520
okay

1802
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:16,720
that's my favorite chocolate but i

1803
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:19,520
haven't had it in quite some time so

1804
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:20,799
i thought i would recognize that maybe

1805
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:23,119
that's subconscious huh okay

1806
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:24,319
well

1807
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,240
and what's coming up

1808
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,920
what i have coming up i can tell you and

1809
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:32,079
by the way when is this airing

1810
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:33,599
this will go out

1811
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:36,400
about the 7th or 8th of october

1812
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,319
ah okay so then this won't be an

1813
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,680
exclusive for you what i was going to

1814
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,680
say but it's old news now if people are

1815
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:43,599
following theories of everything is that

1816
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,400
we

1817
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:46,400
confirmed luis elisando he's going to be

1818
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,160
doing an interview with us the longest

1819
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,200
interview he's ever done so that's great

1820
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:52,720
because he doesn't ordinarily like to go

1821
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,400
for more than an hour but i've actually

1822
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,920
managed to convince him to go for two

1823
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,400
and a half so we'll see

1824
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,559
then so that's coming up in i think

1825
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:02,720
october 20th on the channel that'll be

1826
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:03,520
live

1827
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,880
and the way that it usually works for

1828
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,960
the live streams is that i live stream

1829
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,280
them and then i put them as unlisted

1830
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,119
private and then i re-upload them about

1831
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,119
a day later with intros with the

1832
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:15,839
sponsors and when proper audio and so on

1833
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:18,480
okay what else is coming up is

1834
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,760
carlo revelli is a physicist that he

1835
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:23,680
co-founded loop quantum gravity which is

1836
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,720
the main competitor to string theory

1837
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:28,480
michael levin is coming up

1838
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:31,359
michael levin not mike 11. michael levin

1839
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,000
he has what i think is nobel prize

1840
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,359
winning work with regard to

1841
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,039
we think of our we think of the

1842
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:41,359
blueprint of us as encoded in the dna

1843
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,480
and then there's

1844
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,160
some codicils on that like there's

1845
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:46,319
epigenetics and so on but what he's seen

1846
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,680
is that there's

1847
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,760
there's

1848
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,440
electrical

1849
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,200
bioelectric

1850
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:55,599
signaling that happens such that

1851
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:59,029
well

1852
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,640
we can talk about that okay survivorman

1853
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,720
is coming up october 4th

1854
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:03,760
and

1855
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,280
pasoka i'm working on i think that's

1856
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,680
going to happen in mid-october ah okay

1857
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:11,200
cool you've got some

1858
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,559
a lot of big names coming up there as

1859
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:14,880
well and i'm sure the listeners have for

1860
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,240
luella's own they'll be looking forward

1861
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:18,960
to that one particularly i had over 200

1862
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,599
questions sent in for losing oh wow yeah

1863
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:23,680
q a show um of which i managed to get

1864
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,839
through about 10 or 15 and uh he's

1865
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,599
coming back on at some point in october

1866
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,520
for it for the second part follow up on

1867
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,920
that as well so great i look forward to

1868
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:33,520
to checking out your interview if it's

1869
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,079
uh probably before i get to speak to

1870
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,079
louie anyway so curt um it's been great

1871
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,520
speaking with you and again thanks for

1872
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,599
everything you're doing and enjoy your

1873
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,280
your podcast recordings thanks for

1874
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,920
having me on man i appreciate it

1875
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:48,079
that is all for this week's show thank

1876
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:50,000
you very much for listening please

1877
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,079
remember to leave the podcaster review

1878
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,720
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1879
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,960
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1880
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:58,880
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01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:02,559
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01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,119
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01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:07,839
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1885
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,000
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1886
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:12,880
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1887
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,080
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1888
01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:18,159
and again folks as always keep looking

1889
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:21,270
up you never know what you might see

1890
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:48,320
like alice

1891
01:08:48,330 --> 01:08:57,269
[Music]

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01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,789
i can't imagine how it could have been

1893
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:00,400
any better i got to the top of the

1894
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,470
head and everything was weird and

1895
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,480
everything was red i helped out my boys

1896
01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:23,920
they thought this was noise they thought

1897
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:36,620
[Music]

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01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:51,840
and what's that

1899
01:10:02,229 --> 01:09:56,470
[Music]

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01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:06,020
your lies

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01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:19,510
[Music]

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01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:20,880
is

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01:10:35,530 --> 01:11:02,790
[Music]

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,600
so